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Title: David Meets Goliath on the Ice – Miracle 2008Description: Learn More About our Guest:Shane Guilfoyle and the History of Hockey Podcasthttps://historyofhockeypodcast.wordpress.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By POV - Impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=15514641Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. This is part two of an episode discussing the story behind the 1980 miracle on ice team USA. Men's gold metal hockey team as portrayed through the 2004. Miracle. I highly suggest you listen to power. One of this episode before we drop the puck on power too.Don't worry. We'll be waiting for you beyond the big screen.Per Brooks got this team together just when they're getting ready to go to lake Placid for the Olympics, they played a series of games against different teams. How did those turn out for the team USA team did her Brooks [00:01:00] demonstrate and those early games that they were ready to take on the Soviet juggernaut team two to two examples.One is famous. Anybody who knows the story is going to get to know this one. They play. Team Norway. And they tied them three to three. And Herb's mind that is a game they should have won outright. No two ways about it. They should have destroyed team Norway because Hurd had been training them so hard that they were in the best shape of their lives.He said that you might not be the most skilled team in this. But I swear to God, you will be the most conditioned. And it's, it's funny. I have to deviate for a second with my own local team, the blue jackets, we got a new president of hockey operations a few years ago. I don't know if he consciously borrowed this from herb or if it was just the planets aligning or what, but he said, you know, we might not be the most talented team out there, but we will be the best condition we will [00:02:00] play all, all 60 minutes.And I thought that was a really good way to do it. Cause you can lose a game. And the flick of a switch. I mean, it, it's, it's very easy. And so you, you, you want to play all out all the time and, um, and that's what herb was doing to them and getting them in shape for, because. If they couldn't do that against a quote unquote puny little team like Norway, how would they ever do it against the very best against the Soviets who were routinely beating all-star teams from the NHL?How could they possibly accomplish that? If they, if they can't beat team Norway, he caught several players looking into the stands and this is featured in the. Uh, looking at some attractive young ladies and thinking about where they'd like to take them for dinner. And herb, herb caught him and he says, at the end of this really embarrassing three-three tie, you [00:03:00] don't want to skate during the game.You'll skate right now. So, uh, they, they get back on the ice and then that is what leads to the famous Herbie's in the dark. And, uh, he skates them, skates them into the ground red line to red line, red line to blue line. So on and so forth down the length of the ice. And when they're done, he has them do it again and again, and again, and again, he just, and he's yelling at him the whole time.He wants them to get through their head, but this is the way it has to be. If they're going to compete, this is the way it has. So that's where that, that famous scene comes from now. The movie makes it seem like it's going on all night and you know, people are puking and, and all of this stuff. And in reality, the, the session lasted about an hour.I'm not saying that skating all out for an hour is easy. It's not, but nobody was no players reported throwing up or anything like that. But, and, and really that attitude of [00:04:00] Herb's that doesn't let up until. They have the gold metal. Um, even after they beat the Soviets, he still eyes on the prize all the way.And the, uh, the other game that I want to touch on is the, uh, exhibition match between the Soviets and USA. And that takes place on, uh, February 9th at Madison square garden. The whoever's listing, if you want to see. Uh, butt-kicking pull up some game footage of this, this game, Soviets destroyed team USA, 10 to three.They do it with one glove tied behind their back. I mean, it's just, it's pathetic. And that happens all of three days before opening night. So those are the two big, uh, exhibition games that, that, that we, you know, really talk about today, uh, is, uh, one that resulted in that. Getting their butts kicked physically by, by her Brooks and then [00:05:00] getting their butts kicked on the scoreboard by the Soviet union, going into this 1980s Olympics who were the favorites.And how was team USA favored in this? Where they expected to metal, not metal. The USA was expected to basically be destroyed. They were picked to finish fifth, I believe. And the S the Soviets were. Were picked to just walk, walk with the gold medal. And, uh, they, they were the absolute best in the world. And, uh, Czechoslovakia at the time they were the second best team in the world.And the fact that that team USA ends up facing both of them and emerging Victoria says is really incredible. So, so yeah, it was Soviet union and then the Czech Republic. Oh, I'm sorry, Czechoslovakia. And, and then it was, it was all the rest. How did team USA fair in the earlier part of the Olympic tournament?Okay. Yeah. They're their [00:06:00] first game against Sweden. They almost lost, they actually tied the game with something like 27 seconds left on the clock and this tie will actually come into play. Later in the tournament and had they lost to Sweden, they would have been in, in big, big trouble, even if every result of every other game had remained the same, a loss in that first game to Sweden, they would have been in big, big trouble.So this, this opening game, they're down two to one with less than a minute to go. And Jim Craig keeps looking at the bench at her Brooks. Someone looking at that game through 21st century eyes knows exactly what Jim Craig is looking for back in the, in the 1980s and earlier, they might not have known what he was looking for.But anyone today will tell you that he's looking at [00:07:00] herb to see if he's going to be pulled from the ice for. Six attacker, because you can have six men on the ice at one time, five skaters and a goalie, or you could play all 60 minutes with, with no GoLean six skaters, if you really want it to. So, Jim Craig is, uh, is waiting to be waved over to the bench.So about the 32nd mark, he gets the wave. It goes over to the bench and with 27 seconds left and the Sexter attacker now on the. Team USA is able to tie the game. And essentially, even though they didn't know it at that point, truly keep their hopes alive to metal at all. I mean, they lose that game and they might not have gotten the metal at all.That proves to be a very, not even important crucial game for them. And then they go undefeated the rest of the, um, initial round against the, the, um, the other teams and, uh, and one [00:08:00] of those two. As we mentioned earlier was the second best team in the entire world, Czechoslovakians and faded, just beat the checks.They pummeled them, they beat them seven to three, and that is, is kind of its own miracle because of how good they were. And to give you an idea, to put this into perspective, how good they were. The Soviet union was only worried about one team in this term. And that was the checks. That's all they were worried about.It thought if we can get by the checks or get me for saying we're golden, but that didn't happen. Team USA beat the ever loving snot out of the checks and suddenly the Soviets don't oh, well, we don't have to worry about the checks. This is fantastic. All we have to do is beat a bunch of kids. And so that was very much a miracle all on its own because team USA, wasn't supposed to win that.But they were [00:09:00] so well-prepared and so well conditioned that they just took everyone by surprise getting into this game, the big game against the Soviets, what will be later called the miracle on ice game? What was so important about this gay man? I mean, obviously they're playing the Soviets. What was critical about who won this game in particular?Well, this, um, whoever won this game, Essentially have the best chance at winning gold, um, because whoever would win team USA versus Soviet union would, would then go on to play Finland. And the, the Soviets had already beaten Finland. Now, granted they had to come from behind in order to do it earlier in the tournament, but they'd already beaten them so that you know, that if they can get by the U S then you know, then they're going to be fine.But it's, it's so huge. Yeah. Maybe a broader sense, I guess, just [00:10:00] because of all of the, and

Title: A Miracle (2008) On and Off the IceDescription: The 2022 Winter Olympics are here and what better way to get ready is by celebrating one of the most epic wins in US Olympic history – the 1980 Miracle on Ice. We will explore the challenges this USA Hockey Team faced and how they were able to overcome almost certain defeat.Learn More About our Guest:Shane Guilfoyle and the History of Hockey Podcasthttps://historyofhockeypodcast.wordpress.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you so much for joining us again for. New special episode of beyond the big screen. Today, we are joined by Shane Gilfoyle of the history of hockey podcast to discuss hockey in the Olympics, particularly one of the most important and exciting times in us Olympic hockey history, the famous miracle on ice team of the 1980 Olympics in lake Placid, New York USA.We will be using the 2004 movie miracle as a lens and jumping off point to discuss this fascinating time in sports history, depending on when you are listening to this, the 2018 Olympics and piano, Chang, South Korea are still going on or just wrapped up. So I hope this will [00:01:00] contextualize Olympic hockey a bit more.Thank you so much for coming on. Today's Shane Stevenson. Thank you so much for having me. This is really an honor, truly. I mean, that. I'm really excited to dive into. It's a great, a great story. And you have a really great podcast detailing the history. I love the history of sports. There's just so much there.There really is. I, I, uh, I kind of feel like there's almost not enough of it out there. It's, it's kind of something that people maybe don't don't think about. Um, you know, there's a history of warfare and all of that really juicy stuff, but sports kind of seem to fall by the wayside. Maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself and your interesting backstory on how you got yourself interested in hockey and starting a hockey podcast.Uh, yeah, I'd love to. Um, originally I I'm, uh, from Colorado, I grew up in a little town of [00:02:00] about 5,000 people, uh, two or three roads, only one of which was paved, uh, that was in. Central Colorado. And I'm kind of up in the mountains a little bit. So it was always cold, always snowy. And, uh, I spent my winters there with my mom, my older brother, and a.I, I really owe a lot of my love for hockey to my mom, which is kind of funny because she's never, ever been a sports person. Uh, but she, she saw that I liked it and, and really encouraged me to do it. And, and we would sit down and watch games, uh, and my. Neighbor actually had an NHL sports package and he would let us come over and watch the games.And, you know, growing up, playing myself, we had about, uh, two sheets of ice. One was, was really, really big. It could fit tons and tons [00:03:00] of kids on it. And then one was, uh, about the, the size of a modern day. Just one zone of, of a hockey rink. Um, and so, you know, one was really big. One was small. And, uh, and, and both, I was so lucky they were very, very nearby.And, uh, so my brother and I would, would go out there and, uh, he he's older. So I would, I would cry more often than he would about getting cold. And, uh, I, you know, I I'd come home cry and swear, and I'd never go back. And, uh, then you know, the, the, the toes would thought and the hands would thaw and I'd warm back up.Sure enough the next day I'd be, I'd be right back out there. Uh, and, and as far as you know, my love for professional hockey, I, uh, I was a mighty ducks of Anaheim kid. You know, I, I grew up with those movies and then when the, the team. Started in, [00:04:00] uh, in Anaheim. I was all about that. I've got to, I even have one of the old starter jackets that were the hot, the hot thing back in the early nineties.And. You know, and, and, and part of my love for that was, was that we didn't have a team of our own, uh, in Colorado. And that all changed in 1995 when com Comcast, uh, COMSAT bought the Quebec Nordiques and, uh, and moved them to Denver. And it was all of a sudden, I, I had my own team and I liked, I really liked all of the players.And then. And I always fancied goalies too. Um, and then December of that year rolled around and we got a guy by the name of Patrick Wall from the Montreal Canadians and his arrival. I liked the team already, but his arrival made me truly, truly fall in love [00:05:00] with, with that team. And I, I mean, they, the, the, the rivalry between them and the Detroit red wings in that era was just second to none.I mean, it was so much fun to watch. And, um, I mean, you could pretty much count on whichever one of those teams emerged from the playoffs was, was going to win the cup and. And so that, that was always, uh, very nice to have. Um, and, uh, you know, growing up, my parents were divorced. My dad, uh, always lived in Ohio.In fact, my, my entire family, both sides are from Ohio. Um, it just so happened that that when they split my mom moved to Colorado, uh, when I was really young and. You know, in kindergarten. And then I grew up out there. My dad stayed here. Well, I would spend summers here. Um, so I'm, I'm just as much in Ohio kid as I am a Colorado kid.And, um, and we would go to the Eastern coast hockey league that was in town, uh, [00:06:00] by the name of the Columbus chill and anybody from central Ohio, his hockey back in those days remembers the Columbus chill. They were. So far ahead of their time and so much fun to watch. And what I mean by ahead of their time is their, their in game antics that, that got the crowd involved and their promotions and just all of the, the fun stuff, um, that they would do.They they're still missed in, in Columbus to this day. Um, I think if this town could support the local NHL team and the Columbus chill. Many people would, would have them back. I'm certain of it. And then, um, the success of the Columbus chill led to the NHL, expanding in Columbus, Ohio on June 25th, 1997.And that brought a team called the Columbus blue jackets to town. And I was still very [00:07:00] young, still very impressionable. And so now my dad lives. Just a Stone's throw north of downtown. And so all of a sudden I've got another NHL team right down the street from my house and I, you know, and they were, they were terrible.They were the absolute antithesis of the Colorado avalanche. The avalanche were winning division titles, winning cups. Um, kicking butt every, every single year. And, and then the blue jackets were the opposite of that, but it really didn't matter because they were from my town and I absolutely loved them.And, and even to this day, really, I feel, you know, despite the divorce and all the, all the stuff that comes from growing up in a split home, um, I feel very lucky to be from two places. Both of which had NHL hockey and, and both of these teams that I absolutely love. So in, uh, in, in June [00:08:00] of 2015, I started a podcast.I've always liked history. I've always had fantastic history teachers, uh, most notably my seventh and eighth grade teacher, um, who just, he, he told stories in such a fascinating way. That it was so clear that, that he enjoyed the story he was telling. He wasn't just reciting chapter and verse and, and all of that stuff.Uh, it was, he was so very much into it and that just came out in his teaching and, um, and, and that really made me fall in love with history. And, um, and so I, I always liked hockey and, um, and so I started thinking. You know, maybe all these people are doing podcasts and, um, and that, but there's not one about hockey history out there.Nobody's doing it. And very similar to, uh, Ray Harris Jr. Of the world [00:09:00] war II podcast, whose show I believe you've been on. And, uh, Mike Duncan of a history of Rome and revolutions. They created their podcasts because that's what they wanted to hear. Nobody was doing a world war II podcast. And Ray finally was like, you know what, I'll do it myself.And that's where I got to with hockey. I waited a couple of years for somebody that. You know, to come out with this thing and nobody did. So I was like, all right, well, I like hockey. I like history. I'll put the two together. I got some encouragement from my wife. Uh, funny enough when, um, when I was saying some things about the, the local teams of the blue jackets about what they should be doing with their team.

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Title: Diving Off the Top Rope: The Wrestler (2008)Description: Steve is joined again by frequent contributor and guest host, Chris to talk about the 2008 film The Wrestler, starring Mickey Rourke and Marissa Tomei. This movie is surprisingly rich in themes and asks many interesting questions. It sheds light on fame, success and the limits of the human body and psyche.Learn More About our Guest:You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20259065Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to our frequent guest and co-host Chris. A great way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for A to z history, you can also find us at atozhistorypage.com. You can contact me there or just send an email to steve at a to z history page dot com. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Thanks for joining us again today, we are going to talk with our good friend, Chris, about the 2008 movie, the wrestler starring Nikki Rourke as a washed up wrestler, trying to get back into the big times Mickey work stars as Robin Randy, the Ram Ram's Sinsky and Merissa Tomay as a stripper in Northern New Jersey.So this is going to be a really fun and exciting episode. I know you're excited about this one. But I grew up with wrestling in my life. Watching it, uh, going to a lot of the indie shows that are in this movie and knowing a lot of wrestlers, I actually trained a bit, not much, my brother trained a lot more than I did.And yeah, wrestling has always been a huge part of my life path. Passion in my life. I'm going to start off with a really short overview of this movie. And then we're going to really dive into a lot of the history and the context and the background of wrestling because this movie really [00:01:00] captures something about the indie circuit of wrestling and really the narrative arc of history of wrestling from the eighties until 2000, the early 2000 when this movie was produced.But, and now as usual, we feature plenty of spoilers. That's really what we're all about here on beyond the big screen, you can listen to this episode and learn a lot about the movie. Having never watched it. She'll definitely want to watch this movie and listen to this episode several times. You'll love it.We would definitely to hear what you have to say too. So reach out on social media or send an email, but really. The movie is about it. This character, Robin Randy, the Ram Ram Zinsky and he's a washed up pro wrestler. He was huge several decades ago, but now he's found himself on hard times. He works.Part-time at a grocery store and wrestles on the weekends and small semi-pro wrestling events and he [00:02:00] pushes it really hard to the, really, to the max that every year. Uh, he has a chance for a major comeback by participating in an event and celebration of the 20th anniversary of his most important match.After a grueling hardcore wrestling event, he suffered a heart attack. Now this movie really tackles a ton of really larger than life characters in a larger than life industry. So I think we're going to touch on a little bit of the industry and really the. Character study of an amazingly created character, Randy, the Ram.And I would also suggest that, uh, go back and listen, because Chris and I recorded a rest, a history of wrestling episodes. They provide even more context to professional wrestling, but really as a 10,000 foot view, what's some of the background on wrestling that this movie captures. Yeah. So [00:03:00] when Randy was a.Big mega star. There was a huge wrestling boom in the eighties, uh, in particular, the WWF, uh, it's never said what promotion he wrestled for, but you would assume that he was either wrestling with Jim Crockett promotions or he was wrestling in the WWF and he was putting on these big shows and it was just , wrestling's a weird sport.It goes through booms and busts. So you'll have a boom and then a bust and then a boom. So he was. And the boom using headlining, uh, shows that where thousands of people who are in attendance, uh, on paper views, um, with, I said, they're selling out sports stadiums, and it's all over the news, it's in newspapers. But by the time the nineties hit wrestling starts going into one of those busts. And. Um, either it's part of it is talents, retiring. People are losing interests or, and wrestling in general was true. Still doing the same stuff [00:04:00] that they were doing in the eighties.And it just wasn't working in the nineties. And this is where I, it doesn't say for sure what happens, but we, I assume this is where Randy's career starts taking a downturn and. He's unable to secure work with any of the bigger promotions. So he's left working in the NDC scene, which is, um, basically a it's a wrestling scene.That's, it's, it's much smaller. And you see in the movie he's wrestling in bingo halls and, um, rec centers, uh, once in awhile you'll see that he, he has contact with our O H, which is a modern wrestling promotions, part of the indie circuit. Uh, And it's one of the bigger ones. He also wrestles in the hardcore scene and C, Z w which is a particular brand of wrestling that's extreme and hardcore.And it's for a very niche audience. Yeah. So that's the general [00:05:00] picture that you see, he was part of the boom and he's been part of the bus and I, everybody always says, oh, well wrestling's fake. And yeah, it is bake as it in it. Isn't sports. They're not actually biting each other to win a match in a fair situation.It's entertainment. Maybe you could explain a little bit more about how that whole works, because I think people kind of do the throw of. Uh, way line that yes, it is fake, but in a lot of ways, as far as how it impacts their bodies, it's much more strenuous than a lot of sports. Yeah. But that's, that's the thing that, uh, when people say, look, all wrestling is fake.It's well, yeah, it's fake. It's it's predetermined, but this movie does it bring me a jaw that's really stressed. The toll that doing professional wrestling takes on your body. It's speaking from personal experience, you don't really understand how hard that mat is until you fall on it. It's, it's, it's falling on piece of [00:06:00] wood pretty much.And the ropes you don't think oh, all those ropes hurt, ? When they're bouncing back and forth, those ropes are super tight. So you can spring off them and you get bruises underneath your arms. On your shoulder is everywhere. And especially the guys I jumping off the top rope and just even basic things, just having to get up and down, up and down super quick on it's extremely hard on your knees.And then once you add in people taking chair shots, um, And, uh, the hardcore matches, which became popular in the later nineties, people think oh, whatever. It's oh, it's it's pre, it's all fake. It's not fake. They're using real fun tags. They're using real staple guns.You're using real glass. They're using real wood. You're using real Barb wire. And the toll that takes on these guys' bodies is it's hard to describe it. We're in football, you have an off season. And hockey, you have an off season and you have medical doctors available to you. All the time, these wrestlers don't have, [00:07:00] especially if you're working for these smaller promotions, they don't have that available to you.They'll have a medic onsite to deal with cuts and, if, uh, some serious injury until they can get you to the hospital. But a lot of these indie guys, they don't have access to any of this stuff. And it's a job that. Uh, Randy does it on the weekends, but if you're doing it full time, there's no break, and then you have to get on the road to get to the next show.Uh, and usually you have to provide your own transportation on top of it, too. Um, it's extremely taxing on your body. I don't think people truly get how hard. It is on your body to be a professional wrestler. And so that really leads into that's Randy's life, Mickey Rourke as Randy Rams. Sinskey that's his life as that he works kind of a menial job at, I believe some sort of grocery store where he's just, again, he said, what would you say Randy is probably at this point, maybe in his fifties, in this movie.I don't know if they say exactly. [00:08:00] Yeah. I'd say about his, he seems, yeah. I'd say about his fifties. If he was big in the eighties, usually wrestlers don't get super big until their thirties. So yeah, he'd be about, yeah, probably in his fifties at this point or close to it. So, Randy, he's living this life where he's basically he's working.

Title: A Big Screen Body Slam – The History of Professional WrestlingDescription: Steve is joined again by frequent contributor, Chris, to talk about the history, background and context of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling may not be a competitive sport in the traditional sense, but the punishment professional wrestlers put their bodies through is not fake at all. Let’s take a look at the surprisingly long and rich history of professional wrestling!You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:https://www.atozhistorypage.com/www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By GaryColemanFan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4341457Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to our frequent guest, Chris. A great way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for A to z history, you can also find us at atozhistorypage.com. You can contact me there or just send an email to steve at a to z history page dot com. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Today, we're joined again by Chris to talk about a topic of body slamming proportions. We're going to dive into the history and background of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling has been a staple of the big screen and small screen for decades. It is a theater, a type of ballet. If you will, you could almost say I'll be at a version with beer, swelling and trash talking this episode.Help us understand and more deeply enjoy. Our next step is sewed on the 2008 film. The wrestler, you can enjoy these episodes separately, but they're an excellent pair as a tag team. And I know you're really excited to talk about this topic. Yeah. Because. I don't think people really understand just how deep wrestling history is and like how far back it goes and how, we're only going to be scratching the surface on this episode, but use this as a template.If you, all of this sounds interesting, like there's, as [00:01:00] you know me and you've been talking about it for weeks, um, there's so many different roads to go down in terms of a wrestling history. So yeah, I'm pretty excited. Yeah. Uh, introduce your audience to a bit of a wrestling history.We're, we're gonna be focusing mainly just on north American wrestling. There's a whole history in Mexico and Japan and different parts of the world. But, uh, in terms of, uh, just as using this as like a primer for the movie, the Russia. Just focusing on north America makes the most sense. Yeah.That's a really interesting thing. You bring up the history of wrestling. It goes back much further than I expected it to, and you're breaking it down into four major areas. And so why don't we start off with this first, um, most ancient era of professional wrestling. Yeah. So yeah, so basically it PR professional wrestling started off as a.Like legitimate matches when it first started in, uh, [00:02:00] the United States. So it would happen on like circuses, carnivals, uh, your local shows or what have you, we're all familiar with a amateur wrestling. This is the stuff that you see at the Olympics where you have to pin your guy and there's there's Greco, Roman, and then there's freestyle.Greco-Roman wrestling as a, it's only, only upper body. We're freestyle. Uh, do AA take-downs or what have you, professional wrestling at the time, because they were talking about is basically no holds barred. So there's submission holds there's small joint manipulation. Um, there's, uh, like locks basically like a lot of the stuff that you kind of see and kind of modern MMA now, there was no striking per se, but everybody. It was a dirty sport, so people did it. Um, and this actually got really, really, really popular for really, for, for awhile. And it kind of started around I w I want to say I mean, you can [00:03:00] go back further, but I would say. Wrestling as a sport, uh, professional wrestling as a sport kind of started around like the civil war, Titan time era.And it kind of reached its peak, uh, uh, right before the great war, basically, uh, with the match between, uh, George hack and Trent and Frank, gosh now to put in kind of like perspective, just how insane these matches were their most famous duel. They had two of them, uh, Frank gosh, won the match, but it took two hours to, to beat George Hawkins Schmidt.Uh, and professional wrestling for the longest time was considered, was like the second sport in the United States. There was a. Just right behind baseball. I know that's I seen that, that seems crazy for modern people to really grasp, uh, and it was all I want, I want to, I don't want to say it was all legit.Um, the top [00:04:00] guys, it was legit matches the, um, but they ended up finding, and this is kind of how it slowly becomes uh, what they call a work, uh, or a work shoot. They found basically it's well, we can put on a better show for the audiences if we kind of just dry things out a little bit more, because the guys at the top were so much better than there was no like middle, it was either you're really good at it, or you're just terrible at it. So the guys at the top would beat the guys at the bottom, like super fast and there was just no. It just wasn't entertaining for the audiences. So, wrestling, promoters, or, carnival or carnies or what have you, would incur Wade bike. Hey, just, we'll give you a little bit extra. If you just drag this match out just a little bit, give the audience a chance of oh, maybe their local guy has a chance and that's slowly how it started becoming.Fake, it's kind of interesting that this time period. So we're talking about the early, early 19 [00:05:00] hundreds, it seems like there's a lot of parallels between professional boxing and professional wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, boxing was slow at that time period was also slowly making the change to like the Queensberry rules.So. You're starting to have gloves on the hands and it wasn't just bare knuckle and they started putting time limits on the rounds. And, um, yeah, because you would hear about boxing matches at that time too, where these guys are going, 30 rounds, 40 rounds, just insane. I don't understand how they were able to do, especially when you look at modern boxing, it's the only explanation I can think of is they weren't going as hard.I don't know with wrestling, it's a hard, it's harder to finish somebody, uh, in a sense like, cause it. This is like more of a dance, right? Uh, if you want like a modern comparison to Frank Ghosh and George Hakone Schmidt, there was a re there was an MMA match between, uh Sakharova who was a Japanese fighter.He [00:06:00] actually came from a professional wrestling background. He fought quakes, Gracie who's fighting. For Brazilian jujitsu, uh, in the UFC, he was like at USC one, two and three, they had an hour and a half long match. I mean, it was 100% legit. It's just, they just couldn't figure out a way to finish each other.And Sakharova kind of won because. Got tired. That was basically why the batch finished, but so as crazy as it might sound like that, it's not unbankable. I've watched it myself. I watched the entire match. Uh, not happened, not that long ago. So it's interesting at this, at this point. Yeah. In the history right around world war, one, professional boxing and professional wrestling are kind of veering off where professional boxing is becoming more professionalized than more.Rules-based where the wrestling is kind of going in this theater direction. What is the next phase of professional wrestling [00:07:00] after this? So they start. Yeah. So people start realizing things aren't on the up and up for eight. Uh, especially when people are betting on these matches, it's all fine and dandy.If you're like, oh, just put a show on for the guys who, for the lesser matches. But if you're putting harder and money down on these matches, you're not telling people that it starts becoming a problem. Uh, people start realizing and a lot of these matches are not. A hundred percent of real, right?

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Title: Blade Runner Series Wrap Up and Filling in the BlanksDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to wrap up this series on the Blade Runner series of films. We look at how the messages and the themes of Blade Runner carry through each of the films. We also take a deeper look into the Blade Runner universe through a series of shorts that were released prior to the opening of Blade Runner 2049.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgBlade Runner Shorts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZk9sSgRyQ (Black Out 2022 Anime Short)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsS3nhRRzQ&t=1s (2036: Nexus Dawn Short)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9Os8cP_gg (2048: Nowhere to Run Short)You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:https://letterboxd.com/film/blade-runner-2049/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thanks again for joining us today. Today, we are going to wrap up our series on blade runner and blade runner 2049. And the past three episodes we've discussed these two movies and the really powerful themes they uncovered and discuss.Today, we're going to discuss how the two movies fit together and explore a few more issues that came up and just try and tie these two movies together. I'm very happy to be joined the gun by Eric of the reconsider podcast. And as we well know, since you've listened to the three previous episodes, we know that reconsider as a political and current events podcast, Eric, and as partners and or help you contextualize current politics and [00:01:00] history and broader forces and political theory reconsider helps you rise above the one-liners the 140 character politics and the tribal narrative and their motto is we don't do the thinking for you.Thank you so much for coming on for a fourth time, Eric. Yeah, my pleasure. I mean, obviously I love your show. And one of the things I really love about talking about movies, like this is it lets us look at. Um, and by like this, I mean, I mean really good movies that do a great job, exploring society, exploring humanity.They let us, as people really look into. Humanity and looking to society today through, in another place where it's sort of safe, right. Where we can say, or we can say, Hey, what, what does this tell us about humans as a whole about society, about government, about how we get along with each other as a whole, um, where we're not as emotionally tied up in it.Right? Cause this, this isn't our [00:02:00] world. It's, it's just a story, but we can learn a lot from it. And so it gives us this opportunity to ask some questions about ourselves that aren't as threatening. Whereas, you know, as, as I'm sure you're aware from the. Political climate. If someone from your not from your political tribe asks these kinds of questions in a way that's not comfortable for you, you can get very defensive.And so movies can be a great place to be able to have some of those tough questions. And when they're, well-built, they're they're questions that are open to everyone. I think blade runner does a great job of that, and I'm always happy to keep talking about it and other, you know, other great movies like that with you, just a great movie as a sandbox to see how a lot of different ideas can be played out.Yeah, exactly. And the, I think the true brilliance of blade runner as a Saifai and something that is, I think the. The what's it, the gold standard of scifi is it doesn't just get us asking, oh, what happens when like this technology [00:03:00] comes around? That's interesting, right? That is an interesting question.But when we, when we see humans whose nature is, you know, somewhat constant acting in a world where the technological and sort of societal and resource forces are incredibly differently and we ask, why are they acting this way? This is different from the way that we act today, what is it about our nature that.Roughly is reflected in that behavior that is true today that we should really pay attention to that's when you've hit the gold standard and blade runner. Does that, uh, yeah, absolutely. Before we dig in, I heard through the grapevine, one of the greatest podcasting stories that actually has to do with your podcast, that your partner Zander was standing in line to get a book signed and actually overheard something.We have to share this story. Okay. Yeah, this, this is a great story. Zander Zander shared it with me and sort of, as soon as he was done, [00:04:00] um, he couldn't help, but get me on the phone. And of course he's in the west coast and it was an ed thing. So for me on the east coast, it was really late. I was like, oh my God, what does he want?And he tells me that she's standing in line to get a book signed by Mike Duncan. So Mike Duncan, as the history of Rome podcaster and the revolutions podcaster, and obviously a huge work, huge fans, and he's a big inspiration to us. And we, of course both got his book, the storm before the storm, uh, which is about the decline and fall of the Roman Republic.Actually the, the, the fence immediately before the decline and fall of the Roman Republic. Also something I really like, because just like with fiction history is a great place for us to start asking some of these questions about ourselves. And so. And of course everyone in line, it's a big line, Mike, Duncan's a big deal if you've not heard of him.And of course all everyone else in line, it's like a big history and podcast nerd as well. And so they're talking about, of course, you know, the United States and [00:05:00] the late Roman Republic, because what else is on your mind when you're just hanging around thinking about the decline and fall of the Roman and the Roman Republic.And one guy says they start talking about voting, right? They start saying like, oh, what are alternative ways for us to vote or ways to create a more stable, uh, functional representative Congress? I'm like, I guess, you know, I was listening to this podcast recently and they actually talked about this. They had a whole bunch of different ways to, to vote, uh, You know, they explained it theoretically and then explained it with a bunch of other countries.And I really liked to their Ireland example. And Xander's that years per cup. He's like we talked about Ireland recently and this guy goes on to explain pretty well apparently how, um, Ireland's election system worked and it's one that I'm a fan of. And, uh, and people go like, oh, that's really interesting.I'm gonna listen to it. What's this podcast called. And he goes, oh, it's called reconsider. And I really like it because, uh, what's their motto. It's, it's something like, uh, we don't, we don't think for you or we let you think for yourself [00:06:00] and Zander puts on his radio voice and he goes, we don't do the thinking for you.And this guy's like, oh yeah, you listened to it too. So the effect was like slightly lost. He goes, well, I do, but I also make it I'm I'm Zander one of the co-hosts and like everyone's heads explode a little bit. Um, and so all of a sudden, Sandra has this, this crowd around him because, you know, Of course, it was just this magical moment where someone is gushing, about how much they love a podcast and there's the co-host right there.Uh, so they had a great time together and of course he just gave out a bunch of business cards and hopefully got a bunch of new fans. And then he got to see Mike Dunkin, which was actually the highlight of the night because Mike is so cool. Um, and you know, that's, uh, that was, uh, that was a real treat for me to hear because of course, you know, as, as, you know, as a fellow podcast or we put so much work into this and it doesn't pay a freaking dime.And so, you know, what do you really get out of it? And sometimes we like hearing ourselves talk, um, but just to get some independent. [00:07:00] Uh, some independent validation from someone who doesn't know that you're there, that you're doing a good job, that, you know, you've helped people learn some stuff and they really care about what you're talking about.That just, it, it, you know, it brightens your day. That's just the best story, the best podcasting story ever. Now let's dig into these movies, uh, and wrap them up. We have blade runner from 1982 blade runner 2049, which came out in 2017, then release shortly before the blade runner 20 49, 3 shorts were released that were meant to bridge the 1982 blade runner movie, which has sat in 2019 to bridge to the blade runner 2049.And we'll work on a kind of base the episode around those shorts and then expand on them a little. Maybe we can just talk really briefly about what were some of the plot points that crossed over [00:08:00] between blade runner and blade runner 2049, some of those themes that carried over across the two films?Yeah, definitely the way I like to think of the, or the way I like to name the three shorts in order to keep them right in my head is with their dates, not date of release, obviously, but the dates that they're involved. So this blade, you know, the first one is blade runner also known as blade runner 2019, which was when it was set.And then the three shorts are set in 2022. 20 36, 20,

Title: Blade Runner 2049 – Reimagined and as Relevant as EverDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to talk about the sequel and reimagination of Blade Runner – Blade Runner 2049 (2017.) Director Denis Villenueve examines some of the questions of the first Blade Runner movies and expands upon them. This movie stars Ryan Gosling, Bautista, Harrison Ford and an incredible performance by Robin Wright. Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By The poster art can or could be obtained from the distributors, Warner Bros. and Columbia Pictures., Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=51893608Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen today, we are very happy to be joined by Eric of the reconsider podcast. And today we're going to take a deep dive into the movie blade runner 2049. And if you listened to last week's episode, we talked about blade runner from 1982.So these are two great episodes to listen to back to back. Uh, so I highly suggest you go back and listen to. Episode, but it's not required, obviously, uh, not so much because you need that as background knowledge for this movie or episode it's just because it was a great show. So thank you so much, Eric, for being on today.Yeah, my pleasure. I love your show and I love this movie and I love talking about great. Thank [00:01:00] you. So reconsider as a podcast about politics and news, but it's really much more than just the news of the day sort of thing that you can get on TV or radio Zander and Erik, which I'm sad to say. Zander, wasn't able to join us today.But they help you contextualize current politics and history and the broader forces and in political theory. Reconsider helps you rise above the one-liners the 140 character politics and the tribal narratives, their motto is we don't do the thinking for you and they really don't. And that's why I think it's such an amazing podcast.Do you have anything you could add to that, Eric? No, thanks, man. I, I think one of the things that I really like about reconsiders that Zander and I don't always agree on everything and we do a great job. I think showcasing how to discuss stuff in a way. Um, you know, in a way, which we're really learning.And one of these days I want to do a behind the scenes episode where we actually, [00:02:00] uh, you know, cause we build these, we build these episodes out with a lot of disagreement and then we do a bunch of research and, and learn some stuff as we go. So I kind of want to do one of these blind to, to show a little more of how we do that.But that's my, my favorite part is, is whenever we disagree and it's a good time. Yeah. It's a really cool, I'd love to listen to an episode like that. Now, um, this movie blade runner 2049 is currently in the theaters. If you're listening to this show in the 2017, 2018 time period, it stars Ryan Gosling as K Harrison Ford reprising his role as Decherd there's Robin Wright, Penn, and a bunch of other great actors.It was released in October of 2017. We will definitely have a few spoilers in this episode. So I think this is, yeah, but I think this is a good way to help you understand the movie and maybe get a little different perspective when you're watching it. Your second, fourth or fifth time. And [00:03:00] this film takes place about 30 years in the future.After the original blade runner movie. And it's, uh, all of these blade runner from 1982 and then this newest blade runner are all based on the 1968, Phillip K Dick novel, do Androids dream of electric sheep, which was a great novel to two great movies based on a great novel. Yeah. And I think that the, one of the things I like about the second movie is it brought in a lot of the elements of Dick's novel that were missing in the original, um, a lot of, in particular, a lot of details about society and the environment that we'll get into.So it, it brings back some stuff that I thought, well, you know, that, that just really flesh out the mastery of the novel in movie. Now Eric, you're quite an officiant auto of blade runner, especially that first movie. Can you just explain a bit where your interest in blade runner came from and then maybe briefly set up how that 1982 movie leads into [00:04:00] the blade runner 2049?Yes, definitely. So blade runner is the original blade runner is my. Pretty much hands down and what I love about it. And I was really excited to be able to talk about it with you on your show, a number of episodes back. And so guys, if you haven't listened to that, I encourage you to listen to it. Cause we really get into the thick of it.Blade runner is a scifi movie that manages to do an incredibly good job being true to the thematic and philosophical questioning that makes science fiction such a powerful and important, uh, literary genre in the world. Um, Saifai that gets translated into movies, you know, in order to be available for a wider audience, sets aside a lot of those questions in order to have more action, more sex, more whatever.Uh, but these guys really spend a lot of time and, and really respect. The audience and force them to think. So the [00:05:00] first time I watched blade runner, I came out thinking what the heck happened. And so I read some more and I thought about it and I watched it again and again and again, and every time I got something more out of it and I always, it always leaves you with really good questions.Whenever you watch it, that are hard to answer. Um, so like our show, it doesn't do the thinking for you. And I really liked that. And so of course I had to see 20, 49 as soon as it came out. Uh, I went out, uh, you know, the, the night that it opened. And what's interesting about 2049, is it set so far in the future?That a lot has happened. A lot has changed in the world. Between these two movies. And there are three shorts that were released, uh, between the movies, as part of the promo that do a little bit of explaining of some of the events that occurred pre movie, like how the big power outage happened and how all the, like, all that data in the world basically was lost.Um, [00:06:00] how the replicant program got shut down and then restarted after Tyrrell died, stuff like that. And so if you're not familiar with those 2049. Is going to be a bit of a shock, which is okay. It works just fine, but I encourage you to watch those shorts as well. Yeah. I didn't see those shorts. Um, now I'm definitely gonna go back and watch them that very first scene, the opening scene of LA, we see a very different LA than we did and the original blade runner.Maybe we can get, get our setting a little bit. And then before we move on, Definitely. I was really happy with how they did this because of course, I'm, I'm walking into this SQL knowing that blade runner is my favorite movie terrified. Right? There's lots of hype, uh, blade runner had a cult following and I'm part of it.And I have a lot of anxiety that, you know, okay. They're trying to do a big box office smash. And is it, is it going to blow its connection to its predecessor? Um, is it going to, you know, have the same kind of respect for the [00:07:00] genre that blade runner did? And at that opening moment, we see that we see K flying through.Um, I knew it was going to be great. So in the, in the original blade runner, of course, it's nearly all black, uh, it's dark it's destructive. It's an industrial wasteland. And, you know, you have these flares rising up in the background, as you have Decker, um, flying through and in, in. 2049, they show that they're going to be taking a bit of a different spin on this because the world has changed.So instead of black, we have a ton of gray, uh, and you have just gobs and gobs of endless this endless grid of high density housing that really sets the mood. There are these endless people, really nothing in the city, rather than a series of concrete blocks. Um, it's almost like a. [00:08:00] It's almost like an ant farm kind of thing, except that people don't look very busy.They look pretty idle. So there's jammed in there. They're just cleaning on to survive. There's no luxuries of any sorts. And the other notable thing is that it's, since it's gray instead of black and you don't see those flares, it tells you already that, okay, we've changed something. We're no longer out putting a bunch of hydrocarbons.We're no longer. And industrial wasteland where now more environmentally stable, um, and the, the population hasn't plummeted the way that it had in the original blade runner, um, where there were a lot of empty buildings, but instead we've, we've got this population surging back, but no prosperity, no lively.The, the city's not alive, even though there are a lot of people live in. Some of the themes have carried over though. And then the very next scene that they show somebody who's a bug farmer and just a complete wasteland. And we find out that that's actually [00:09:00] one of the replicants that K is sending. To kill let's maybe just quickly talk about what were your impressions of Kay, because he's a very different character than Deche

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Title: Blade Runner (1982) – Lost In Time, Like Tears in RainDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to talk about a trailblazing piece of science fiction, 1982’s Blade Runner starring Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer and More. We will continue to examine the themes this movie evokes. It is more than just the singularity and the role of artificial intelligence. The movie makes us wonder what it really means to be human.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: steve@atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comhttps://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:https://www.cnet.com/news/blade-runner-and-alien-tv-shows-confirmed-by-ridley-scott/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. This is part two of a two-part conversation on the 1982 movie blade runner with Eric and Zander from the podcast reconsider. I highly suggest you go back and listen to part one of this conversation. Don't worry, we'll be waiting for you beyond the big screen.You brought up those ideas of niche, Nietzschean and, um, the Christian elements and all of those really come together. One Roy confronts, Dr. Tyrrell. What happens there. And what, how do those themes all tie together that you've brought up, that you brought up earlier? I it's funny. I, I, as I was making my notes, I was thinking, oh, this is my favorite scene.Now this is my favorite scene. [00:01:00] Now this one, and I have six, I realized six favorite scenes. So this is one of them. And what happens is, uh, Roy finally gets to Dr. Tyrrell by. Tricking Sebastian and then coercing Sebastian, uh, and they get access. What's interesting by is by playing and finishing the same moves as what's called the immortal game in chess.So it's a famous 18 hundreds chess game where. The, I forget the guy's name, um, whatever, where the guy who ended up winning sacrifice, tons of pieces to fool his opponent, into making a move that exposed the king. And so we had checkmate with some minor pieces at the end. Um, those pieces of course, represent those minor pieces, represent the, uh, the replicants who are treated like pawns.The king of course is Dr. Tyrrell. And so once. Makes those moves over the phone. [00:02:00] Tyrrell actually, Roy tells Sebastian to do it. Sebastian makes those moves over the phone and Tyrell is very impressed and he says something must be on your mind. Sebastian, come on in. And then big reveal. Roy is there Tyrrell, doesn't seem to surprise.He actually says like, oh, I'm surprised it took you so long to get here. He knew that Roy was coming to talk to him. They have this discussion over whether Tyrrell can give Roy more life, uh, but Tyrrell cannot. And they, in that discussion, Tyrrell tries to reason with Roy saying that he's lived this incredible.Powerful. Um, flourishing life, especially compared to other humans. And he has the quote, the candle that burns twice as bright, burns, half as long. It's this great scene of his face being very fatherly. And in fact, of course being the character of God, he created Roy. He decided how long Roy got to live. Um, and he's judging Roy as having lived a good life and sort of saying it's okay for you to die.[00:03:00] And here's where the Nietzschean moment. Uh, God reveals himself to be powerless, to help Roy and to do anything for Roy. And so in that moment, God dies for him. Right. Roy realizes that God is helpless and worthless to him. And Roy is so. Roy still loves God as his father. And so he actually, when he realizes that nothing could be done, he holds Tyrrell by the face and kisses him on the lips.But then in holding Tyrrell, he uses his superhuman strength to brutally crushed Tyrell skull. And he digs his fingers into Tyrell's eyes, which in this movie of the window to the soul. So Roy has become the Uber mench that judges God. And he says that like, you know, God is a Portant, an evil, uh, for creating lives that are enslaved and.Um, and short, even though they can feel. And so [00:04:00] he transcends God and he transcends man, by being what's capable of killing God. And of course, perhaps God was dead the whole time, um, and was, uh, was a myth, but it's his rage at the callousness and ineptitude of God, the fact that God was willing to create into feel and to contemplate his own suffering is more and his mortality, but to give him a short-lived suffering life as a slave.He kills him, but he still loves his maker. So to quote nature in thus spoke Zarathustra, God is dead. And we have killed him is not the greatest greatness of this deed, too. Great for us. Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it. And so this is the moment that Roy has this true transcendence.I always had the feeling too in this movie that Roy and all of these replicants are setting up that. There nexus sixes. What's a nexus seven going to [00:05:00] bring us well, I think we're going to find out and blade runner 2049 actually. Um, now. You know, it's, it's in the original blade runner movie. It's tough to imagine that an extra seven is coming because the genius behind the next a six has been killed.Uh, JF, Sebastian is then immediately afterward killed because, you know, Roy can't leave any witnesses. He says, I'm sorry, JF, because Jeff has been so good to him and press. Um, and so he kills JF. So the two real geniuses behind the nexus six model have been killed and. So I don't think we're meant to anticipate an extra seven, however, um, we can only anticipate an extra seven sort of in the image of Roy rather than in the image of God.And so this, this moment that mankind has transcended its own nature as. Under the boot of God and as a product of God, but instead a product of itself. Um, and so I anticipate [00:06:00] the next seven would be the overcoming that nature talks of the overcoming of man into becoming something greater than man into becoming, um, uh, being worthy of worship on its own.We have that. We can clearly see that after the scene where Roy kills Tyrrell that he's moved beyond himself, but now he's developing this relationship with press. It's are they moving beyond replicants here? The Androids that they're taking on something that's not Android and they're not human they're are becoming something bigger than them.What do you think they're trying to say here? Oh yeah. So what's interesting is of course, as we're moving through these scenes, we're not talking about Dechert much. At this point, Decker has killed, um, Zuora, the serpent, um, the serpent replicant, and also Leon has been killed when Leon gets enough. With Decker and Rachel, the replicant kills Leon because she wants to protect Dechert.So what we [00:07:00] see is that these Androids are quite empathetic, right? Rachel, Rachel wants to protect Deckert. And so she kills one of her own kind when she knows that he's hunting. Rian because Leon six is a loose nexus or Leon because they aren't as a loose next a six. So this is her enemy, but she still, she still protects him.So we see this empathy developing for the replicants. When in fact there's no evidence in the movie that the humans have any, we don't see like an inch of empathy from them. And decorate finds out that. Uh, Chris and Roy went to Sebastian's place after the murder of Sebastian and Tyrrell and he ends up killing PRIs after a brief fight.And Roy, uh, come returns from having killed Tyrrell to find presses dead and [00:08:00] covered in blood. Um, and he. He agonizes at her death. He howls in agony in this very superhuman scream. He and Chris are clearly in love and he bends over, uh, and kisses her on the lips as well. So we see that Roy loves press, he loves his father figure.Um, and so this makes us think, you know, is this the behavior of a machine designed not to have. Um, and what happened, what we find out is that by having put memories and personality into the nexus six, they develop empathy on their own. When in fact the humans have been unable to do that, which means that even in this society, even through their enslavement, uh, and even living in a world, Where nobody around them is showing empathy.They still manage to have it, which means that somehow that they are above the influence they're above the society that they've been [00:09:00] brought up in. They were above how they've been treated. They're capable of holding onto the thing that in the movie is the thing that makes humans special, um, and their ability to maintain it.When all of the humans have lost. Um, and their ability to feel and to agonize and weep and hope is I think what shows that they've transcended mankind. Um, and so at this point, we know that Roy is dangerous. And we questioned whether he should be left in the world, but can we call it retirement anymore?Can Roy possibly be property? And who are we as humans to decide? There is a scene where Rachel and Decherd, they, they develop a romance together. So now we're seeing that there's this romance between. Between replicants, but now this, that there's a romance and that there's a connection between Decherd and Rachel who's an Android.How does that compare and contrast [00:10:00] with the relationship that Roy has developed with press? Yes. This is what I used to think was actually a. Low